In today's rapidly evolving cybersecurity landscape, organizations face constant challenges in managing their external attack surface and mitigating potential risks. One approach gaining prominence is External Attack Surface Management (EASM), which encompasses reconnaissance, discovery, and continuous testing of digital assets. This blog explores the evolution of EASM, its integration with other security tools, and its role in maximizing cybersecurity resilience.

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of the world that you live in every day right security innovation NT data you have a lot of large clients you do a lot of services engagements um um as it relates to cyber exercises you do you know both from a from a training but from a uh security assessment security pen penetration testing all all of the old you know a lot of the the the old monitors that have new kind of um that you have to keep up with because you have to stay to try to stay ahead of the of the bad guys right and gals um so and what your thoughts what are you what are you seeing with your customer base as it relates to okay so I think we've beaten the concept of of surface management external attack surface management debt right so it's about reconnaissance it's about recovery it's about Discovery it's about asset inventory and it's about doing that continuously right um because things are changing every day what are your thoughts at about how taking that from where what we've seen over the past number of years some really good ASM easm products out there to the concept of continuous testing as well right so that's a biggie right and and I'm using the word testing to be very generic on purpose right there's testing there's red teaming there's attacking you know which again is the big red button that everybody's been afraid of forever what are your thoughts on the evolution there what are your client saying to you about this kind of thing yeah so you know what what what I see as a growing Trend um you know I do see things like you know um attack simulation you know hitting hitting that that big red attack button um I do think that's a natural extension for some of these easm platforms um you know easm is sometimes confused with with Bas or breaching attack simulation um but it should not be um breaching attack simulation you does not do that you know kind of scanning and Reporting um what it does is it does that continuous testing of security controls by you know automating simulated attacks you're using techniques you similar to those found in in the Met attack framework which I think we're going to be talking about a little bit later on um but Bas deployments uh historically are much more complex they usually require some type of agent or maybe multiple agents to be installed in the corporate network uh and and you know Bas is still is still pretty immature in terms of its value versus other existing methods you know like internal vulnerability scanning and and penetration testing so you know I think the value of Bas in and of itself is still you know to be determined uh and and I think uh I see it being consumed with with an a attx service management type of platform maybe starting from the from the outside and then just kind of you know um expanding naturally internally um I I still think that you know a tax refence management has a very very long Runway um you know most of our clients still cannot accurately say how many assets asss they have um and it does change every single day so you know we're we're presently trying to uh you know sell them on the concept of not just a tax surface management but that Perpetual continuous automated you know kind of red seaming and the value of it U because you if you're not let me let me put it this way um your infrastructure and uh endpoints are being tested continuously your choice is whether you want to do it as well because someone is already doing it guaranteed um so you know we I definitely see you know the the trend of um these platforms type kind of merging um and and I think you know easm will eventually might morph into ASM and cons right so I think it makes it louder but I don't know I'm not anybody answer that how do does esm in your mind I'm gonna throw this out to tages how would this Tech this this type of of of security offering external Tax Service manag complement other security tools that have been deployed well so what I would take and say compare it with something like a Digital Risk protection so if if you look at esm that focuses more on the Discovery aspects that's like bash mentioned that's primarily more on the Recon side well something like a Digital Risk protection provides you a 360° view it also does a takeown but uh yeah M as it stands like Paul you rightly mentioned in the BF analogy right it's not replacing or it's not U taking away your speaker and creating a new one it's not doing something which has not been done before it's just possibly providing some method to the madness and organizing things uh better so that um we understand that the to treat the external attacks differently and the external assets differently.