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How would you uh communicate that risk to the management or board members right so the traditional model of the 5x5 matrix likelihood and impact and you know high medium low etc it's the most popular model it's a model that many boards respond to well and and it's a model that will resonate with those boards there are plenty of detractors in our industry who will point out that that likelihood impact is is a messed up mess um some people will talk about how the scales are ordinal and yet some people use it as a multiplicative in other words  five and five is twenty-five not ten uh you multiply the numbers instead of adding them which with an ordinal scale makes no sense but helps to demonstrate the drama of this is really bad this is really good yo know 1 to 25 is a much more pronounced scale some people do that and the boards respond to it quite well some stick with the standard ordinal and math and that seems to work well some people don't even put the numbers and simply do a heat map i had one company i worked for where reporting upstairs um was literally just the red yellow green hea map but in a very nice gradient manner without the numbers words there but not numbers there of likelihood and impact and um arrows with the dot and the line and the triangle at the end to show we started here and we got to there and you can show where we reduced likelihood dramatically but impact stayed the same or we managed to partially reduce likelihood and impact both or whatever.