Anybody else wonderful matt and that's a that's a great way to end the conversation i love this story not just the story i love this strategy i think that is something definitely going to be one of the key takeaways for many of ourmembers of the community and the listeners and i guess there are quite a few interesting topics that has come up as a part of our discussion and i'd love to thank you matt for coming and joining us today thank you so much absolutely thanks for uh inviting me this is this has been a a wonderful time new topics or papers that are being written and it's hard for me i think i'm a smart guy but i'm learning about cryptography algorithms and blockchain new ways of doing blockchain and um ways of doing blood pressures on a grasshopper i mean i'm talking like really wild and crazy things um and and hopefully not everybody is in it that far um under underwater in their industry that they're a ciso in um but seek to understand what they're doing go down and talk to sit down at the at the help desk um for larger organizations for  the external help desk or the internal help desk ask a leader to sit down and put the headset on and eavesdrop on the calls with the customers and learn what is actually going on that yeah so good question um obviously the the biggest concern is  when and if to take a job um so even even before coming on board officially um i think i'm i'm not unique i do a lot of research with um sites like linkedin uh glassdoor sometimes but that that kind of can can be can be slanted usually uh but i the cyber security and and security in general is a very small world so um jumping on linkedin who do i know that works there or who do i know that used to work there why did someone leave especially if they're in the executive leadership capacity um you know things change and move movement around organizations is not uncommon but i start to really understand looking at the company's website what does their business do uh what what um investment tools do they have where where do they get their revenue from things like that really helps me start to understand.