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Will take it from there okay so my name is matt ireland i am the ciso for ntt research uh ntt research is a research and development arm of nippong telephone and telegraph uh actually nippong telegraph and telephone out of japan i've been with ntt for several years in different roles working backwards i was a consultant providing virtual cso consulting services to external clients now i'm focused internal to the security organization of ntt research as well the uh i was the cso for ntt security uh providing uh security resources internally to ntt security and uh before that many other security assignments with operations and it problem management and i t infrastructure long time before that  right so that that's a very important part and also i have um i know you are a avid reader of books and uh i have seen some interesting books on this topic so let me ask you this question are there some books etc which you typically pick up any any interesting favorite books on this topic or even otherwise so so not not so much like how to look at the culture but um from a leadership perspective um actually on on my desk is uh clifton strengths uh strength finders building your teams and as a leader especially coming in as a new leader assuming that there's there's an established team um i'll talk a little bit later about um comes across in a specific manner their financial safety whatever it is  security if we look at it from the perspective of that here we are to safeguard the business we are here to safeguard the interest of each of you i think  and i was talking about like aligning our language with the business try to understand our language and trying to explain what dlp is about i think is much better we try to understand their language and that will help us to communicate a lot lot better so so great points uh matt which you organization who has nailed this this such a hard problem right i mean there are of course many asset discovery tools which does things from outside in but that's only one part of the view if you think about it in a holistic manner it's a very very big challenge right um and knowing who all got access so data inventory access like who got access to which systems this is another big challenge which um we i typically see organizations struggle with uh there are a lot of privileged users and nobody knows those guys i  mean or they're not at the top of the mind and ciso is not aware of it so just having that what you mentioned from the department.